“Recent analysis leads to the conclusion that the extensive and systematic aerosol operations that are being conducted without informed consent are aggravating, if not instigating, the elevated drought conditions that are now commonly being observed.” – Clifford Carnicom, in: ‘Drought Inducement.’ See: CarnicomInstitute.org
“Bernard Eastlund, [the inventor of HAARP], wrote [William Thomas in ] an e-mail…and he said that to heat up the atmosphere with HAARP was very difficult, it would go right through the atmosphere unless you put some element in that airspace that it could heat and he suggested that polymers would work very well in allowing HAARP to be directed to heat certain sections of the atmosphere. And in fact, we’ve been seeing…cobweb like material, polymer material all over the United States and other locations, in conjunction with airplanes flying overhead emitting something out of the back end of them. And Eastlund went further and said that heat generation works by adding magnetic iron oxide to the polymer…” –William Thomas on Coast To Coast AM with George Knapp, December 20, 2009.
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NORTHLAND NEW ZEALAND CHEMTRAILS WATCH 
coz clouds are straight lines aye
I’m a graphic designer and am routinely asked to airbrush them out of images or photoshop in a different sky! I can’t say who I for for but it’s rife in the print industry.
Programming is definitely part of it, probably a big part of “the people’s” comatose condition. I wanted to understand weather basics a little more so got a few older books on meteorology, thinking they would have more accurate information. Nope, the Peterson First Guides on “Clouds and Weather”, copyright date 1991, almost all the photos are of various chemtrails and then they give them the standard names. Wow! this conspiracy is so big and we have long passed the theory part.
btw, this is a nice site. Wow! is that a photo of New Zealand with the kayaks? It is beautiful!!! What a crime to mess with that beauty. I truly think some insanity is afoot.
Anyone who denies there’s been a distinct agenda to include not only spread out aerosols but also massive amounts of freshly laid trails in media, especially in Hollywood movies, over the last 10-20 years is either as asleep as the majority of humans is supposed to be or working for this agenda in one way or another! It’s so rife now!
Obviously there are people semi-aware of this aerial pollution as PixelFreak suggests but they probably have no idea what it really entails.
In other words – it’s definitely pre-programming – getting people used to seeing their skies in this condition constantly. It’s been increasing slowly but surely – expect it to get worse. There’s an agenda and a program here no doubt!!!
A couple of things.
1) The clouds in those photos are ordinary clouds; not even contrails. Yes, sometimes clouds have straight features,Rose.
2) Alice; read PixelFreak’s post again. He says that he is routinely asked to REMOVE contrails from images. So, how is that “programming” for the normality of the sight?
Sometimes clouds have straight features?? For miles and miles? Do they breed by themselves, like by the dozens at the same time in the same sky??? AMAZING! Like do angels come down with rulers making sure of this? …
Good reply, these people that think these are all normal clouds unfortunatly fit into the 99% sheeple category that we all have to suffer life with. But good reply all the same, he may read it then get back to watching x factor.
You look like your a bit long in the tooth to really believe the propaganda you are spreading, seemingly on behalf of your employers, Marsden. When I was a kid, a ‘vapour trail’ was so rare, we would be in awe of it. Today we watch those ‘vapour trails’ – or ‘CONtrails’ being switched on and off over our adjacent mountain range all day, every day and people know enough now to be asking questions. We have many people in our town recording this phenomenon and very soon you will have to come clean because your coverup is being seen for what it is.
How do you explain the barium which is visible on the coastlines in a never moving cloud bank that surrounds our country Marsden? The ‘easterly’ that is there in a southerly, nor-wester… never moves. The chemical mix glows in shades of orange and pink at sunrise & sunset – coz that’s normal aye. When did we wake up in Hawaii – with glowing colours in our ‘clouds’ again visible as the sun rises and sets? Orange and pink clouds float past as if they have always been there, but they haven’t and anyone with half a brain will realise this.
How do you explain the spraying that leaves our mountain barely visible, the mountain that is a 5 min drive from where I am? Bio-Active Crystalline Cationic Polymers being dumped over our native bush and wild life.
How do you explain the ‘clouds’ that emanate from one point – they begin by fanning out (because clouds blow up and north and south all at the same time aye) at those points you will find antenna emitting frequency to creating the ripple effect. (check out FM transmitters like Sugarloaf if you are down south)
If you lived in Christchurch, perhaps you may begin to understand the reality of the lies you perpetuate. The ecosystem is dying, the pines and conifers are a prime example of you all playing god with your weather-making technology.
People of New Zealand should begin by asking themselves why the New Zealand Met Service would allow their staff to stalk and troll blogs that are considered to be ‘conspiracy sites.’ Marsden and his merry band of keyboard warriors are on nearly every chemtrail/persistent contrail board that we watch. Why do they invest so much time in this? Surely if they were merely ‘conspiracy theories’ they would be no threat to the public domain. It disgusts us that you working for the Met Service are blatantly sharing propaganda. You should be removed from your position.
I hope you are looking your grandchildren in the eye as you spiel out your coverup. People are getting seriously sick from these toxins and radiation/EMF assaults. My hope is that this doesn’t happen to one of your own, as it is our children and grandchildrens’ future being POISONED by mad scientists, the Military Industrial Complex, the oil industry’s obsession with fracking and crooked politicians.
To the foreigners traveling around New Zealand for the Rugby world cup – our sincere apologies for the toxic soup you have come to. Make sure you go home understanding that NZ’s 100% clean green image is nothing but another Government Department perpetuated lie. In saying that, perhaps it is a little better than the chemical assault taking place in your nation, as this geoengineering is happening globally.
Check out corporations like Sinclair Knight Merz ~ delve into their geoengineering efforts and they are just ‘consulting’ engineers. The hole is deep. Here are some of their clients as listed on Wikipedia:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=greentree_ff1&type=867034&p=Sinclair+Knight+Merz
SKM works with public and private sector clients across all its Business Units. Some of its major clients are:
BHP Billiton
Rio Tinto Group
Boral
Multiplex
Leighton Holdings
Exxon Mobil
Australian Department of Defence
Various state-owned and private water, power, road, rail and transport businesses.
Look at who has been using/making money out of “Weather-Modification” technology over the last 50 years !!! Please have a look on their clients list, you will surprise to see how many countries are on the list. Here is the link: http://www.weathermodification.com/projects.php
I quote their “About Us” intro:
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Who We Are
Weather Modification, Inc., is a global atmospheric sciences company committed to continued advances in the field of weather modification. Whether it’s identifying the potential benefits of cloud seeding or monitoring air quality, we are dedicated to providing sound, scientific atmospheric solutions.
Nearly 50 Years of Expertise in Atmospheric Sciences
Weather Modification Inc., was founded in 1961, in the small town of Bowman, ND. Bowman is located in an area of the state where the average rainfall is near desert amounts and hail is common. In order to preserve the livelihood of the agricultural community, two pilots/farmers decided to enter the forefront of weather modification.
Our tradition of leadership and innovation continues to direct our future. What started as two aircraft and two pilots has grown to nearly 40 aircraft and more than 80 team members. We continue to expand our services and products to meet emerging client needs. Over the last fifteen years, WMI has broadened its service offerings to include environmental monitoring and expanded atmospheric assessment and evaluation.
Core values of quality, reliability, and innovation provide the framework for Weather Modification, Inc., These values, and our ever-changing planet, will continue to direct our team of scientists, meteorologists, electronics technicians, pilots, and maintenance engineers.
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Unbelievable! yet sadly not surprising…the blindness seems to be so deeply embedded, or (as Alice says) they’re in on it, but effectively muzzled in one way or t’other. The Met service, pilots, air traffic controllers, MPs, public servants,the militiary and air force, the media personnel and so on…they must know what’s going on – surely?
I work for MetService, and I do know what’s going on. Oh, yes I do.
Whether or not you will be open and honest about it, is another matter.
Im an air traffic controller and I know exctly whats going on. You would all be dissapointed if you knew.
We are disappointed. Evidence shows aerosols are poisoning the environment. Refer Clifford Carnicom’s work, for example: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407
Scientific Evidence Related To Geo-engineering From Scientist Francis Mangels
200 Million Tons of Aluminum Aerosol Chemtrail Poisoning All Life! Scientific Proof!
Are air traffic controllers being trained in weather modification technology and aerosols? A few months ago the Pentagon awarded an initial design contract for its Defense Weather Satellite, with Northrop Grumman. Why do you think the Pentagon is investing in this technology?
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/major-shifts-flow-from-npoess-polar-satellite-program-crisis-01557/
Does it relate to what the US Air Force stated they aimed to achieve by 2025?
WEATHER AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER: OWNING THE WEATHER IN 2025
MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF WEATHER MODIFICATION
Airforce University | December 16, 2001
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_own_weather_by_2025.htm
Ahhh yes, working for the source always guarantees us the ‘truth’ from them, well at least their ‘truth’!!! Good to see such dedication!
For Wendy:
Try ebay for out of print books on weather. The observers Guide was first published in 1955 and are relatively cheap, only a couple of pounds sterling.
Haha, you people. I made up that story about airbrushing out chemtrials to see if you chemtards would latch onto it.
Funny how when I sign in under my other name, asking tricky questions, Claire just deletes my comments. She’s confirmed my suspicion – she only lets in comments in support. What are yo afraid of Claire?
What are you afraid of?
Why do you delete some comments and not others?
Why the heavy censorship? If you disagree with a comment, post it and state reasons for your disagreement. Otherwise it looks like you are covering something up, or perhaps you are afraid that your arguments will not stand up to reason.
Why does MetService censor the truth about geo-engineering? Why do they not acknowledge what millions of people can see with their own eyes?
Thats your opinion Clare and it may not be right. Have you given that some thought?
You are only thinking the Metservice is censoring something.
If you want an answer just ask don’t assume, quess or read into whats not there to support what you think. But don’t just jump up and down saying the answer they have given you is all lies as it may not be.
Ask if you can do some volunteer work at the Metservice office? get active. Go to the airports, video the planes coming in loading up and leaving again. Its all there for all of us to see.
It is not ‘opinion’ Raymond, for ‘opinion’ is a belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.
The UN admitted it was occurring last year.
Also refer: The Government Is Already “Geo-Engineering” The Environment
And there is clearly a wide range of evidence to show that it is occurring, including:
1. Photographic and video evidence of aerosols;
2. Official patents and documents related to aerosol spraying, (including that the HAARP patent mentions barium be put into the atmosphere);
3. To quote Clifford Carnicom from a paper he wrote in 2000: “The identification of barium in the atmosphere as a result of aircraft aerosol criminal activities continues to be confirmed.” ….”These spectral lines [related to barium] are visible under very limited time conditions near sunset or sunrise, when the sunlight shifts toward the red portion of the spectrum.” Refer: http://www.carnicom.com/spectra2.htm
4. Quote from Clifford Carnicom, from paper titled: ELECTROLYSIS & BARIUM, (2002): “Methods have been developed over the last several months which appear to confirm the existence of extraordinary levels of barium within our atmosphere. ” Refer: http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm
The UN has not admitted geo-engineering is taking place. There are plans afoot to ban geo-engineering. Logic fail.
1. Which could be contrails
2. Patents aren’t proof of active geo-engineering projects.
3 & 4. Carnicom’s barium test is scientifically flawed…
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/bariumreport.html
So, no conclusive proof at all, really.
Attention Sophie of Nutbarz.
To reiterate the reply to “King”, the UN has admitted geoengineering is occurring. I suggest you read what supposedly occurred at the UN meeting carefully. Geo-engineering the environment was admitted to implicitly:
1. “9 9. Requests the Executive Secretary to:
….
(o) Compile and synthesize available scientific information, and views and experiences of indigenous and local communities and other stakeholders, on the possible impacts of geo‑engineering techniques on biodiversity and associated social, economic and cultural considerations, and options on definitions and understandings of climate-related geo-engineering relevant to the Convention on Biological Diversity and make it available for consideration at a meeting of the Subsidiary Body on Scientific, Technical and Technological Advice prior to the eleventh meeting of the Conference of the Parties;”
2. “61. Notes that in order to provide reliable predictions on the potential adverse impacts on marine biodiversity of activities involving ocean fertilization, further work to enhance our knowledge and modelling of ocean biogeochemical processes is required, in accordance with decision IX/16 (c) and taking into account decision IX/20 and LC-LP.2 (2010); ..”
Watch Rosalind Peterson’s 2007 address to the UN on the topic of geo-engineering/persistent jet contrails and iron fertilization of the oceans. She is the California President and Co-Founder of the Agriculture Defense Coalition (ADC). Refer: http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=about-rosalind-peterson
In 2007 she advised the UN about the 50 weather modification programs that were underway in the US at the time, plus the unusual spiking of toxic chemicals that was occurring in the drinking water in California, including aluminium, barium, strontium, calcium and manganese. The spiking occurred at the same time around the region, so it was theorized that it must have come from the spraying of aerosols/unusual “persistent jet contrails,” that Peterson said was seen around the region. She also noted that tree were dying as a result of the aerosol spraying and that the activity needs to be regulared. Please refer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVD9IUO9Ftk
You state Carnicom’s barium test is “scientifically flawed” and link to an article by ‘Jay Reynolds’, who conveniently neglects to mention that Carnicom’s assertion that barium is in the atmosphere is strongly supported by all the findings of barium in rainwater samples around the world.
To quote Canadian journalist, William Thomas:
“NASA, NOAA and other scientific cloud-gazers also agree that a relative humidity of 70% or higher is necessary for cloud and contrail formation. If the air is very dry, contrails do not form behind airplanes,” states the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Taking NASA’s expertise as contrail catechism, chemtrail investigator Clifford Carnicom correlating atmospheric readings by NASA’s Climate Diagnostics Center of with 21 days of heavy “chemtrail” gridding over Santa Fe from January 1999 to August 1999. At altitudes where persistent white plumes criss-crossed the usually cloudless New Mexico sky, Carnicom found 30% humidity or less.”
Refer: Chemtrails Confirmed 2007 by William Thomas
UPPER ATMOSPHERE NOT OFTEN CONDUCIVE TO CONTRAILS at http://whatisbeingsprayed.blogspot.com/2008/09/from-chemtrails-confirmed-2007-by.html
Clare, can you point out specifically where the UN ‘admit’ to geo-engineering? I’m seem to be missing the relevant text in the quotes you’ve provided.
I see it is apparent geo-engineering has been occurring, and implicit in the statements. For example, how can they instruct people to go out and ask others about the impacts it has had on them, if they do not think it has been occurring? Listen to Rosalind Peterson, who was INVITED TO SPEAK AT THE UN in 2007, talk about geo-engineering occurring. [1]
During her speech she states: “These experimental weather modification programs that negatively impact agriculture are not only found in the United States but around the world. International and U.S. weather modification companies are modifying our weather with programs that cover thousands of square miles. Most of these programs use toxic chemicals or particulates to alter the weather with either ground-based or airborne releases that change or modify our local micro-climates.”
[1] Quote: “On May 21, 2007, Rosalind Peterson, … was invited by Kiyo Akasaka, Under-Secretary General of the United Nations, to address this Conference during both a workshop, held on September 5th, and a round-table session, held on September 6, 2007, at the United Nations. Rosalind was invited to address this conference due to her research and work in the agriculture field relating to climate change, global dimming, and the affects of man-made clouds and experimental weather modification programs on agriculture.” Refer: http://newyorkskywatch.com/rosalind-peterson-speech-transcript/
Well there’s the difference then, you have to make up stories to prove your point, which didn’t make sense to begin with (straight clouds are normal and you pretended to airbrush them!) And we get to sit back blasting facts! You ask what Clare is afraid of? At least she isn’t asking tricky questions for entrapment under another name. It’s all a sign of true integrity here folks!
Except for all the comments Clare deletes, of course.
“Sophie,” the WordPress.com websites-including this one, enable one to see the IP addresses of those who leave comments. Yours is: 202.37.229.66. A comment was left yesterday from exactly the same IP address, under the name: nutbarsnz.wordpress.com x noizyboy+nutbars@gmail.com
Nutbarsnz is known to thinking people as a disinformation website, likely manned with people who are paid and told by their masters to write bunkum.
Wordpress.com can filter out the genuine posters from the disinformation agents, once I have marked a few of the disinfo agents comments as spam. Their posts usually go into the Spam box automatically.
Very good Clare, although very much proving my point. Obviously I’m making posts under other names because you’ve banned or delete comments made by me in the past.
Thing is, it’s easy to think you’re wrong about many things, when I know you’re wrong about your claims that I’m paid to write what I write over at nutbars. I’m not – I do it out of my own desire to add balance to the claims of science-deprived scaremongers like yourself. When you’re so obviously wrong about that, I wo
If you’re not willing to debate those claims on your own blog, and claim that anyone who disagress with your opinions is a ‘disinformation agent’, then … well, it doesn’t speak highly of your confidence to defend those opinions.
This response is to ‘Sophie’ – your integrety evidently has holes in it – you have been caught out using other I.D’s, yet you persist with your highly dubious ‘truths’. I suggest you go outside and start observing, instead of sitting behind your keyboard pretending to be an all-knowing woman, (if you are a woman – the ID may mislead regarding your true gender).
Start by asking yourself why we in Kaikoura can no longer see the milky way clearly in our night skies, where are the stars? There are only a handful visible at the best of times and they are the ones directly above us in Kaikoura, where our skies have been heavily chemtrailed. There’s a start for you. Little baby steps for people like you ‘Sophie’. I wouldn’t want to overwhelm you with TRUTH.
You trolls are like a pack of wolves. It’s comical.
Your photographic and video evidence of aerosols(your chemtrails) is really just evidence of the existance of contrails and even some natural clouds that you think(without proof from testing) are aerosols.
Looks like the only way to get this through to you would be to fly a plane through what you think is a chemtrail and take some samples(with a control sample also)….. wouldn’t that be interesting! I think it would be more interesting for you and your “millions” than me. Imagine the end of the chemtrail hoax? There would be some red faces!
There is a massive scientifc backing of what a contrails is, how they are formed and why they last for hours and spread out(or not). All known fact not what someone “thinks” like your claims.
Raymond, look at the Appleman Chart.
To reiterate
Quote: Background: Military planners have been interested in condensation trail (contrail) forecasts since World War II. Contrails can make any aircraft easy to locate by enemy forces, and no amount of modern stealth technology can hide an aircraft if it leaves a persistent contrail in its wake. In 1953, a scientist named Herbert Appleman published a chart that can be used to determine when a jet airplane would or would not produce a contrail. For many years, the US Air Force Global Weather Center used a similar chart to make contrail forecasts.
The combined moisture from the jet exhaust and the atmosphere will never be enough for the mixture to produce a cloud.
Here is a video on how to use the Appleman Chart:
And have you sampled the air right where the plane is leaving a contrail(chemtrail) to see how that chart applies?
Well have you? If you havn’t then how can you say that contrails couldn’t have been natural? Without the data you have nothing.
Also there is more than just fluffy clouds, go though the oldest paintings and have a look for yourself. If thats not fact then what is? And don’t go telling me those paintings have been changed just to suit the chemtrail programe(hoax).
I second that,Clare.Why does the Met Service cover up the truth about geo-engineering experimental operations regularly happening in our skies? When the weather forecaster tells us that there will be “high cloud”,does this mean natural high cloud,or man-made high cloud created by a S.A.G operation? or a mixture of both?
There is no geo-engineering going on.
The “millions of people” are mistaken about what they are seeing.
Hand on the bible Marsden? You’re a liar.
Rose, did someone correct your punctuation?
Aw, Isn’t that sweet!
Amazing your own reality of facts, when I find so many of our facts of American geo-engineering right here in this site http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/content/geoengineering-current-actions. What we are seeing is right above our heads us “millions of people” now we have one individual telling us we are mistaken on what we are seeing. Amazing one individual depicting a vision for millions! Thank you for insight!
Most Believers in “chemtrails” are not informed about the basic science of contrails. They believe “normal” contrails can’t persist and spread and never have.
Any honest review of the historical data, the physics of the atmosphere will show that normal contrails can and often do persist for hours and spread into a haze of cirrus-like cloud. They have always been able to do this…from the sorties of WW2 to the proliferation of are travel in the 90s…contrails have always persisted and spread when conditions warranted.
See this book from 1972 which clearly documents that which Believers claim isn’t possible:
For more information on contrail persistence, see :
http://www.contrailscience.com
In reply to Thor, most “Believers of “chemtrails,” as you call them, will be aware that disinformation agents are alive and well and swarming around on the Internet like maggots, spreading false information to conceal the fact that aerosols comprised of toxins, are being sprayed into the atmosphere around the world.
One false claim disinformation agents make is that contrails aka mere condensation trails, as in normal jet pollution, can form into clouds and leave an unnatural milky-white haze in the sky.
The Appleman Chart, used by military pilots, shows that this is not supported by the facts.
Quote: Background: Military planners have been interested in condensation trail (contrail) forecasts since World War II. Contrails can make any aircraft easy to locate by enemy forces, and no amount of modern stealth technology can hide an aircraft if it leaves a persistent contrail in its wake. In 1953, a scientist named Herbert Appleman published a chart that can be used to determine when a jet airplane would or would not produce a contrail. For many years, the US Air Force Global Weather Center used a similar chart to make contrail forecasts.
The combined moisture from the jet exhaust and the atmosphere will never be enough for the mixture to produce a cloud.
Here is a video on how to use the Appleman Chart:
I see from the IP address that you are in California. I suggest you watch What In The World Are They Spraying? as much of it was made there.
“The UN admitted it was occurring last year”
“Also refer: The Government Is Already “Geo-Engineering” The Environment”
– I read both those articles and both state that the possibilities are being looked into, not that it’s already being done. It also appears that they are looking at doing it for all the right reasons.
More twisting of words to suit your view. Well now I know you’re willing to be dishonest when defending your view.
Go on, delete my post again.
King, I suggest you read what supposedly occurred at the UN meeting carefully. Geo-engineering the environment was admitted to implicitly:
1. “9 9. Requests the Executive Secretary to:
….
(o) Compile and synthesize available scientific information, and views and experiences of indigenous and local communities and other stakeholders, on the possible impacts of geo‑engineering techniques on biodiversity and associated social, economic and cultural considerations, and options on definitions and understandings of climate-related geo-engineering relevant to the Convention on Biological Diversity and make it available for consideration at a meeting of the Subsidiary Body on Scientific, Technical and Technological Advice prior to the eleventh meeting of the Conference of the Parties;”
2. “61. Notes that in order to provide reliable predictions on the potential adverse impacts on marine biodiversity of activities involving ocean fertilization, further work to enhance our knowledge and modelling of ocean biogeochemical processes is required, in accordance with decision IX/16 (c) and taking into account decision IX/20 and LC-LP.2 (2010); ..”
If you have a particular interest in the UN, watch Rosalind Peterson’s 2007 address to the UN on the topic of geo-engineering/persistent jet contrails and iron fertilization of the oceans. She is the California President and Co-Founder of the Agriculture Defense Coalition (ADC). Refer: http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=about-rosalind-peterson
In 2007 she advised the UN about the 50 weather modification programs that were underway in the US at the time, plus the unusual spiking of toxic chemicals that was occurring in the drinking water in California, including aluminium, barium, strontium, calcium and manganese. The spiking occurred at the same time around the region, so it was theorized that it must have come from the spraying of aerosols/unusual “persistent jet contrails,” that Peterson said was seen around the region. She also noted that tree were dying as a result of the aerosol spraying and that the activity needs to be regulared. Please refer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVD9IUO9Ftk
Look u chemtards amaze me !!….the aircraft that made this sky has people on board going about their daily business, just like you and me. The pilots are good keen men, who care for their families and take vaccines, just like most people do. So stop taking the piss out of all of those involved in the chemtrail programe at the Metservice. We have mortgages to pay and families to feed – we just don’t care what other people think, what matters is that we keep our jobs safe under all circumstances, so you chemtards need to realize we are compromised and very weak and spineless.
Ha ha ha – nice one Bill mate. That’s it in a nutshell. Protecting their asses for their trumped up salaries. Vaccinate the families and add some nano technology to their lungs…really they deserve what is ‘on the horizon.’
Weak and spineless or suffering from a personality disorder, such as psychopathy?
Quote from Wikipedia: Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a mental disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others, and are very disproportionately responsible for violent crime. Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as normal people by feigning emotions and lying about their pasts.
Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
This condition is found in about 4% of the population.
Quote: “The high incidence of sociopathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth.”
Refer: http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
The argument here being, of course, that every single airline pilot, meteorologist, aircraft technician, atmospheric scientist, air-traffic controller, air-quality control official, civil aviation official and the many many more people who would have to be in the know to allow the ongoing ‘chemtrails’ programme to continue, are psychopaths.
No, that is not the argument. Stanley Milgram’s famous experiment in 1961 found that 25 of 40 subjects continued to follow orders from an authority figure, even though they believed they were electrocuting another person to death with 375 volts. Before the Stanley Milgram Experiment, experts thought that about 1-3 % of the subjects would not stop giving shocks. They thought that you’d have to be pathological or a psychopath to do so.
Still, 65 % never stopped giving shocks. None stopped when the learner said he had heart-trouble. How could that be? We now believe that it has to do with our almost innate behavior that we should do as told, especially from authority persons.
Read more: http://www.experiment-resources.com/stanley-milgram-experiment.html#ixzz1YpwjylN2
Airline pilots don’t need to be in the know. The aerosol delivery devices could well be controlled remotely, via satellite.
Delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with circumscribed symptoms of non-bizarre delusions, but with the absence of prominent hallucinations and no thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening effect.[1] For the diagnosis to be made, auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, though olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2]
To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions.
The following can indicate a delusion:[4]
1.The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2.That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient’s life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3.Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4.The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5.There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7.The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient’s social, cultural and religious background.
8.The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
9.The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10.Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
Nebulous – you neglected to state the point of pasting this from Wikipedia.
Right.
An airline pilot is going to be completely oblivious to an industrial-sized aerosol system turning on and off in his/her aeroplane. Not one single pilot will question contrails coming from planes they pass in areas that shouldn’t be amenable to contrails. All those hundreds of aeroplane technicians are going about their business ignoring the odd, unexplained mechanisms attached to the airplanes they service. Thousands of civil aviation officials, air-traffic controllers and the many, many people involved in air, water and soil quality monitoring are likewise blinded by the ‘Milgram’ effect.
Even if you accept that 25 of 40 people *won’t* take the morally appropriate action when confronted with this sort of behaviour, this still leaves 15 of 40 people that *will*. Given the size of the ‘chemtrails’ conspiracy, this must be thousands of people.
Where are they?
In regard to your comment regarding airline pilots, do you know what is going on under your car bonnet when you are driving? No. And, if you have a car, one can bet that you do not take notice of what is emanating from your exhaust pipe either, even though there is a rear window on your car. As far as I can tell there is no rear window to enable the pilots to see if there are large plumes developing behind them.
Did you read this alleged anonymous email? This, whether true or not, provides one with feasible potential reasons for why people are unaware of what is going on, and if they are aware, why they do not speak out.
Alleged Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic Re: Chemtrail Delivery System
Furthermore, in relation to this, the following was posted at Rense.com in regard to the the airline mechanic’s statements:
CHEMTRAILS
Did An Airline Mechanic
Stumble Upon The Truth?
Flying a plane is NOT like you driving a car Ms Swinney! These pilots have to get out and check over the planes themselves befor the next flight. They know exactly what is going on in and on their plane and its their job to! Safety is king!
With your last comment you have just proven that you are really lacking some smarts!
You have NO idea!
Read what I wrote Raymond. Note that I did not state flying a plane was like driving a car and that I am referring to passenger planes, as these are known to spray chemtrails. I referred to the fact that people driving cars do not know what is going on under the bonnet, just as airline pilots will not know the details of what is going on in the plane they fly. Passenger plane pilots will not know what is going on behind the plane they fly, nor the workings/ engineering of the multitude of sophisticated devices inside the planes they fly. Airline pilots do not check the planes on the outside before they fly. They check from the cockpit.
Who has seen airline pilots on hydraulic lifts combing for faults over the bodies of planes and inspecting the engines, before a flight? That is the job of the mechanics/engineers, not the passenger plane pilots’.
BTW Clare i have a very good understanding of what is going on under the hood of my car.
Pilots of these planes are watching other planes fly past them all the time. Don’t you think they would know whats happening? and what looks normal.
This hoax has messed your thinking up or is it that your thinking suits this hoax? either one will do.
The statement was addressed to Sophie not you. Yes, I know you work at AutoTech as an auto-electrician and you’re thus aware of the inner workings of cars.
Pilots may not be conscious of what is occurring because no one has drawn their attention to it. They may mistakenly believe the aerosol trails are condensation trails, as no one has educated them about geo-engineering.
If the matter of chemtrails/geo-engineering is a hoax in your opinion, how do you account for your having left comments on this website for over a year? Surely your time would be better spent dealing with issues that you deem valid and real?
Possibly Clare i have been wasting my time. I know there will be no changing what you think even if all the testing was done and it was proven that every trail you have ever seen was a contrail from a jet engine or the aerodynamics of the plane effecting a saturated atmosphere.
I firmly believe a pilot will know his/her plane very very will and are very aware what is going on(OR NOT). Go and talk to these people and please stop thinking EVERYONE is lying to you.
Thanks Bill.
clare said:
“One false claim…is that contrails…can form into clouds and leave an unnatural milky-white haze in the sky.
The Appleman Chart, used by military pilots, shows that this is not supported by the facts.”
Apparently you cannot even read the chart well enough to understand it. Do you see where it says “MAX T (temp) for PERSISTENCE”?? Why would it give a temp for persistence of contrails if they could not persist? Your logic fails you.
The appleman chart shows exactly how contrails can and often DO persist and spread it the ambient humidity is high enough.
if the air is saturated with respect to ice, the ice in contrail cannot dissipate- physically impossible…thus they will persist much like a cirrus cloud.
A simple review of decades of scientific research into the formation, persistence and spreading of contrails will show that your Belief is utterly false. The entire theory of “chemtrails” is based on a false premise. This is not “disinformation”. this is simple physics, basic science…testable, repeatable science based on the laws of nature and provable by anyone.
Anyone who wants to know more should look up the term “contrail cirrus” and reviews decades of study on persistent, spreading contrails.
If contrails cannot persist and spread into hazy cirrus clouds…then why were they studying them in 1972??? :
Click to access knollenberg72.pdf
Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)
“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”
Clare, why have you censored my last comment? What are you afraid of?
Here it is again in case you are willing to share this information with your readers:
clare said:
“One false claim…is that contrails…can form into clouds and leave an unnatural milky-white haze in the sky. The Appleman Chart, used by military pilots, shows that this is not supported by the facts.”
Apparently you cannot even read the chart well enough to understand it. Do you see where it says “MAX T (temp) for PERSISTENCE”?? Why would it give a temp for persistence of contrails if they could not persist? Your logic fails you.
The appleman chart shows exactly how contrails can and often DO persist and spread it the ambient humidity is high enough.
if the air is saturated with respect to ice, the ice in contrail cannot dissipate- physically impossible…thus they will persist much like a cirrus cloud.
A simple review of decades of scientific research into the formation, persistence and spreading of contrails will show that your Belief is utterly false. The entire theory of “chemtrails” is based on a false premise. This is not “disinformation”. this is simple physics, basic science…testable, repeatable science based on the laws of nature and provable by anyone.
Anyone who wants to know more should look up the term “contrail cirrus” and reviews decades of study on persistent, spreading contrails.
If contrails cannot persist and spread into hazy cirrus clouds…then why were they studying them in 1972??? :
Click to access knollenberg72.pdf
Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)
“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”
I did not censor it. I put it on hold. If/when I have time, I write a reply then post my reply and post the comment, so people new to this area are not misled by disinformation agents. I had not yet got to yours.
Scientific Analysis of chemtrails on Doppler Radar rules out Contrails
This shows the bright linear clouds, shown on the radar, start at a single point and then spread out. The aerosol material gives a strong return on the Doppler radar.
Instructor breaks down in tears at canyoning inquest
BY MICHAEL FIELD
Last updated 14:44 15/02/2010
Ross Marsden
JOHN SELKIRK/Dominion Post
INQUEST: Witness Ross Marsden of the MetService is sworn in prior to giving evidence.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3328516/Instructor-breaks-down-in-tears-at-canyoning-inquest
How amusing you are. Your hand’s on something Ross Marsden.
I wonder how the parents of the above mentioned deceased are going to feel when they learn the truth about weather modification & Stratospheric Aerosol Geoengineering.
All in good time.
Clare.
You failed to address the facts I presented. If you cannot address the physics of contrail formation, persistence and spreading then you are not being genuine and honest in your research and discovery.
Why does Appleman’s chart have a variable for persistence if contrails can’t persist?
The physics of the atmosphere is not “disinfo”. It is reality. In ice saturated air, the contrail CANNOT dissipate (sublimate) but instead persists and spread.
Failure to acknowledge these facts, this reality, renders your credibility null.
Doppler radar picks up precipitation not clouds. If that video was in any way factual every “chemtrail” would be visible on radar…
Is this paper from 1972 “disinformation”- ?? there are literally 100s more written since exploring and researching contrail persistence and spreading into contrail cirrus. Why won’t you address the FACTS of atmospheric physics??
Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)
“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”
Click to access knollenberg72.pdf
How about something more recent?? :
“On the Transition of Contrails into Cirrus Clouds”
Schroder, F.; Karcher, B.
February 2000
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences;2/15/2000, Vol. 57 Issue 4, p464
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%282000%29057%3C0464%3AOTTOCI%3E2.0.CO%3B2
Just ignoring the facts doesn’t make them go away.
Thor,
Ironically, logic that a persistence factor or variable or whatever term the pretentious prefer, existing in a chart should not imply that contrails can persist. Define persist why dont you?
Actually, true ability hence persuasion may be demonstrated by an explanation from you yourself of how they might persist. Do you yourself understand what you are referencing well enough to teach it to another in a paragraph? Metaphorically so a 7 year old child might understand? This is not an unreasonable expectation, it is just not done commonly.
Why dont you for us? Its the difference in brute force programming/math and elegance. The prior showing no understanding. I mean, if you cant explain it/understand it how can anyone take it to be true?
Great you referenced a paper, except we know you are not deluded with expectation that people might read it? Explain it dont reference it. the media has worn out authority associated with referencing.
%70 of what you teach you learn.
heres a pearl for you matey, 70% what you teach yourself you learn!
Address the facts of life. Eat bananas.
Raymond, do you take scientific data on your weetbix before you eat them in the morning? lol, or do you just look at them and say, thats a weetix. Nom
Well same thing with chemtrails buddy.
Its funny, you have all spent more than a year posting one every post of this site why chemtrails dont exist etc. Get a real job that doesnt mean selling your soul to the “many names” for their disinfo campaign.
Youl probably pretend how harsh that is of me to say. I react, you react, noone tinks and acts. The truth lasts an eternity and you will never rest till you face it and your actions. Dont expect to wash any blood in the dark. You know the truth so move on.
BeNny your’ve been sucked in like the rest of them and i do find that funny. Ignoring any or all scientific data regarding contrails will get you to where you and Clare are.
Clare has proven she doesn’t think the air in summer well above her head cant have ice in it, do you think the same? Does mount everest have snow on it all year round? Even a 7 year old can understand that!
Raymond neglects to consider that aluminium and barium are being found in rainwater where the spraying is occurring, and as the photo of the black tray I posted today and the video about the FALLOUT ANALYSIS show, bright-white particles may be found at ground levels and in the rainwater. These bright-white particles are not ice crystals, Raymond.
No but what are they. I bit bigger than NONO i would say. If they were aluminium then you would of had a much higher reading then .058g/m^3
Aluminium and barium should be found in rain water everywhere as these are what makes up our planet along with many other elements.
So i havn’t neglected the FACT that aluminium and barium are being found in rain water but i would say you are neglecting the FACT that this is normal.
Barium should not be in the rainwater, PERIOD, Raymond. It is an earth metal.
What a coincidence it can become electrically charged if it is subjected to energy, such as that from HAARP, which can be used to modify the weather. What a coincidence it is that satellite images, including from NZ, are showing that weather modification technology is being used.
The audio is an excerpt from Clifford Carnicom’s discussions about aerosols/chemtrails from the show he did on Coast to Coast AM on the 20th of December 2009, with George Knapp.
To here the entire show, go here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2009/12/20
He talks about the earth’s atmosphere being turned into a plasma, which is an electrically charged gas. This is being done by putting huge amounts of barium into the sky.
If barium cant be found in rain water then why did you find it. If it came from the back of a plane or was there naturaly you shouldn’t see it in its pure form either way.
You should know when they test for this stuff they include all “types” so that doesn’t mean they found pure barium in your rain water.
Have you thought about finding a control sample of water from somewhere that isn’t be chemtrailed, not a stupid idea.
BTW are you now using your appleman chart whenever you see a white line behind an aircraft, remember contrails are real and it even says they can persist on your appleman chart so before you can say its a chemtrails get some data airtemp at the planes altitude ect….
I did not state that barium “cant be found in rain water” Read what I wrote. I stated that barium should not be in rainwater PERIOD, because it is an earth metal. You implied that you deem it natural for barium to be floating around, where it is being picked up in filters (See Carnicom’s work) and ends up in rainwater. It is not normal. This is a relatively new phenomenon.
Scientist Clifford Carnicom has documented the gradual change of the planet’s atmosphere into a plasma. This plasma, which includes barium, can be used with HAARP technology. Official documents show that this type of technology, which is based on Nikola Tesla’s and Bernard Eastlund’s work, may be employed to cause earthquakes and drastically modify the weather, amongst a range of other potential functions.
Refer: http://www.carnicom.com/